When this dual-faction thing happens, you can click on the faction symbol on the status screen and cycle between the two. Many would have a Feat or similar for the Factotum/Factor levels or higher-level abilities... if they grant abilities. So, to kick things off. Designing Moderate & Extreme Wings for Each Faction. Probably the one that gives the best benefit is being in the Godsmen (Believers of the Source), who you'll meet in the later areas of Sigil. Anyone can be a Sensate; they just have to believe that the only way to understand the universe is to experience. The other factions at least let you buy stuff from them. There are fifteen factions in the Planescape setting, though only five can be joined by The Nameless One.. It looks like this ability was actually implemented at one point (one check is still present in the game files), but both the ability itself and the quest where the check would have been used were ultimately cut. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. r/planescape: For the game Planescape: Torment. The Faction Symbols are pictured in A Player's Guide to the Planes , on a poster in the original Planescape Boxed Set and on the poster that comes with The Factol's Manifesto . The average gamer gets confronted with this list of wacky societies and gets a little confused. Yes, this is why I suggested that each faction would have several sub-classes. As its name suggests, the setting crosses and comprises the numerous planes of existence, encompassing an entire cosmology called the Great Wheel, as originally developed in the original 1987 Manual of … Some are unlocked via feats. Just to clarify: If you are already a member of a faction and you join another, they will demand that you denounce the faction you are already in, so you can only be in one faction at a time. This task is a heavy lift, so this week I will go through the exercise in detail for one faction, the Athar. In the first part, I explain my rationale for adding moderate and extreme subfactions to the Planescape factions. I want factions that involve themselves in the war between heaven and hell (or the cold war between the abyss and hell). There's no reason that the Harmonium can't include Fighters, Wizards, Clerics, and Barbarians. The history of factions in Planescape is confusing, but most everyone who lives in Sigil remembers, or was told of, the upheaval that factions once caused in the city. The Fated hold an odd position in the perception of the people of Sigil.On the one hand, grumbling about the Takers is a common pastime among Sigilians, nearly as much so as griping about the Hardheads hassling citizens over nothing, or the Chaosmen disrupting a person's day in the name of nothing whatsoever. You can't be in more than one at the same time (but I think you can maybe do some spying on other factions for the anarchists), but you can join them all at one point or another, usually as you encounter them. You can join for real. You can switch up your allegiance, so if your curious you can try a faction out and switch later. I can already see that fighters and rogues have more feats to spend on stuff like this, but something can be worked out so faction leaders aren't all automatically fighters. The resultant array takes on a form of rings and layers stacking outwards from a central point - the Prime Material, the Ethereal, the Elemental, the Astral, and the Outer Planes. Thanks y'all! Plane-wide Fronts work really well and I imagine would pair really, really well with the faction wars in Sigil.) It's just a dedication towards the faction philosophy. Like, if there was a feat that boosted damage but reduced healing, a Doomguard that took that would be higher status than a Doomguard that shares the philosophy but doesn't take feats. It can make sense for a specific warrior order like the Purple Dragon Knights to have a subclass to represent their specific methods of combat, but the Factions are all much broader organizations than that - you could, for instance, have Fighter Mercykillers, Paladin Mercykillers, Monk Mercykillers, etc. I've been playing around with ideas for the Planescape factions myself and I've decided that they shouldn't be one-size-fits all. As there is no formal setting out at this point worry less about mechanics matching the structure of background, feats, or sub classes and make the feel of the game include extra power. And so on and so forth for each of the factions. Plus 4 states to again offer a choice in leaving each faction. The aware a few special perks that are gained as the member levels. 1 Background 2 Before the Faction War 3 After the Faction War 4 External links While the Lady of Pain is considered the ultimate ruler of the planar metropolis called Sigil, "the City of Doors", the Factions perform virtually all the … There is an exception: If you are an Anarchist, you can join other factions as … As for being a Xaositect, there are at least a couple places where you get different dialogue options when you're a member of the faction, but it may only be when talking to other Chaosmen. Dustmen would attract necromancers and death domain clerics for example. Press J to jump to the feed. I could still use Enlightenment (Godsman dagger) and everything. I used to DM Planescape a lot when I ran 2e, had a 3-4 year long Planescape campaign, read Pages of Pain, was a contributor to some articles on Mimir.net and Planewalker.com (like the Bytopia Planar Renovation Project & Gehenna Planar Renovation Project), played Planescape: Torment probably too much, and started a Planescape 5e … I ended up doing that on one of my runs, and was surprised when I didn't lose my Godsman status when I joined the Anarchists. The purpose of this is to collect ideas to compile into something concrete - crowd source ftw! Factions are led by a Factol. In my game, I have found four scrolls, so now both the Nameless One and Dak'kon know the spell, and I even have two scrolls spare to cast from. If someone came to me and said that they wanted to play a Paladin affiliated with the Xaositects, I'd have some serious questions regarding backstory; but I'd probably allow it. From the Planes of Chaos Travelogue: "Planar Politics. Each has some benefits, like being able to shop from them or access specific locations. Like a Champion, Wild mage, lore collage, ... four themed additions to the basic class. Some are "Background or join-in-play" with the idea that membership at the namer level is relatively minor. In some cases it might be easy. These are usually ones where the Namer lavel grants more powerful abilities. The cosmological setup of the planes used in Planescape is derived from the lore of the multiverse built up over years of work, first by Gary Gygax, then by others. I think you might be thinking in terms of 3e and its endless prestige classes. If you're not interested in the first part, please skip to "Designing Moderate & Extreme Wings for Each Faction," below. Membership in a faction was also meant to give you special abilities, like eating the bodies of the dead to learn their memories. But whether or not the fifteen factions are a good execution is a different matter entirely. A place to discuss the latest version of Dungeons and Dragons, the fifth edition, known during the playtest as D&D Next. Sure, they can be complicated like the battlemaster (that is add a lot of choice within those additions) or they can be simple like the Champion. Using sub-classes you would "automatically" gain ranks within the hierarchy but not necessarily political ranks. Eta: this is a fun and worthwhile thought experiment though, I'll try to add some faction/class ideas after work. Factions wouldn't make as much sense as backgrounds I think because they are "actors" in the story. Tasks of herculean proportions, mythical events of universe-shattering importance are part of the settings very nature. I've drawn these abilities from the PSCS, Factol's Manifesto, Dragon 287 prestige classes, various sources online, and my own interpretation of course. The Faction Agent background from SCAG fulfills this role nicely. Nah. Hopefully, this Let's Read can be a good occasion to debate which factions are good, which ones could be improved (and how), and which ones can go straight to Baator. Which is best to join? Maybe avoid the chaosmen as being chaotic is really not rewarding in the game and the faction doesn't provide benefits or anything if I remember correctly. Since everyone in a Planescape game can have a faction no one feels left out and it doesn't effect game balance because the DM just assumes slightly more power from the party. To put it more simply, while factions are groups centred in Sigil with a specific world view, sects are those without a recognised seat in Sigil." During the events of the Faction War the MKs split back into their original ideological splinter factions). Joining the Sensates doesn't get you much, but I believe you gain an ability and you get some dialogue. I might need to brush up on my Planescape lore, but if I remember correctly, the Athar did have divine casters. After all, the person who controls the city also controls access to the known multiverse! Hello good people! The site may not work properly if you don't, If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit, Press J to jump to the feed. That's not to say that there can't be Planescape archetypes. It takes a very skilled GM to make the whole setting clear without setting some required reading. I'd consider trying Cortex+ or Technoir in Planescape. I have a hard time, for example, seeing why a Life Cleric would become a Dustman. So, I'm tired of reading Mystic posts and I want to throw in an idea I had about 5e'ing Planescape. Other high-ranking faction members are called Factors, and mid-level faction members are called Factotums. Original factions Athar Certain factions definitely lend themselves to certain classes and subclasses. Their divine magic was channeled from "The Source" that they believed to be origin of all divinity, and that all the known gods were merely pretenders or inferior. There's really no reason to have archetypes for the factions any more than there's a reason to have a specific archetype for the Harpers or the Emerald Enclave if you were playing in the Realms. Check for not faction 1 or faction 2 but faction 3 6 Go to abandon faction 3 dialog 7. As the whole party has these sorts of abilities, you have a way of controlling if the members keep them, and you control the strength of the encounters they meet nothing is out of balance. Can I be in more than one? Doomguard would probably have a higher than average number of Eldrich Knights watching the universe be unmade, but a bard or a monk might find the same view appealing. Something like a skill prof at level 1, a specific level 2 spell at level 5 1 per long rest, a feat at level 11 that matches the faction, and a level 5 spell at level 17 that is once per long rest and the level 2 spell becomes 1 per short rest. Remember, most people in a faction are just normal people without a class, and those that actually go up in rank within the faction would gain the benefits of the Faction Agent, not special abilities. One that was not just roleplay because the essence of Planescape was the power of belief. Between this, and the fact that the "array of rings" theme is carried over whenever one looks at either the Inner Planes or the Outer … Before Planescape I hadn't even heard about solipsism. Check for not faction 1 or faction 2 or faction 3 but an anarchist 8. Thematically it would work great and it harmonizes well what has been done in 5e, like the Purple knights. The Beginning Pre-Sigil Post-Sigil Post Faction War Intro Calendar Great Upheaval Key A Chronology of the Factions and the Planes by William James Cuffe Version 1.1 Planescape is a setting of grand scope. It'd be a sub-class. Nah. After reading it up, I thought it was just hilarious to create a faction of them I should mention, though, that as much as I loved reading about the Planescape factions, I didn't feel they were actually playable. The first would be easy, maybe a little too easy to be satisfying. The Factions' Planar Headquarters are described in the Boxed Set according to the Plane in question. Now in Rigus post Faction War the original Mercykiller influence is going to still be largely controlled by the Sodkillers, given that they took over most of the old Mercykiller operations in Acheron, which Rigus is the gatetown of. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. You can also rejoin them after quitting. The Dustmen, Chaos-men, etc. The factions are described in the Planescape boxed set. I could easily see a wizard who specializes in planar magics; warlock patrons such as Primus or various dead gods who attempt to get their followers to revive them; sorcerers who receive their power from the portals between planes and who perhaps don't need portal keys, or who were born of the chaos of Limbo and have a natural ability to create things with their mind (mystics would work for that, too); bards who literally tune into the music of the spheres; druids or rangers whose preferred terrain is actually a particular plane; clerics of all gods; fighters who have learned techniques from fighting in a fiendish or celestial armies; artificers from Mechanus; and so on. As for being a Xaositect, there are at least a couple places where you get different dialogue options when you're a member of the faction, but it may only be when talking to other Chaosmen. If Sigil is, as some claim, the heart of the planes, faction politics is the lifeblood pumping through the heart. One way of doing the faction abilities might be to award no bonus at all just for subscribing to a faction's philosophy, but give each faction a prestige class with low buy-in prereqs, which gives you the benefits/drawbacks as it advances. I wrote a blog post I think you all may enjoy, a big list of Planescape faction abilities for Dungeon Crawl Classics. They're the taxman, after all, and few among … It'd probably have a 5-level progression at the most. Likewise, anyone can be a Dustman; they just have to think they're dead. The Godsmen faction is NOT the only place to get the Chain Lightning Storm spell. I want the Sigil of my Planescape to be something like the setting of a cold-war spy movie, a proxy political battleground for spies of unclear allegiance, full of plots that don't understand until the end. At one time, there were perhaps a hundred different factions, all scheming for control of the city. In the second part, I list the new subfactions themselves. Planescape: Torment is probably the best RPG ever created. I was wondering how these factions work. The process of joining them involves some cool quests. The story, the humor, the characters, the dialogues, the philosophy, the music, everything is exceptional. Factions The primary social grouping of the Planescape setting of Dungeons & Dragons, the Factions are distinctive philosophical views about the purpose of the multiverse who have managed to acquire positions of strong political power in the city of Sigil.Originally, there were over 49 recognized factions, but in an event called The Winnowing, the Lady of Pain demanded … Look to the scaling of power in class abilities, but don't make a brand new class. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Gunvers would have a sub-class for wizards, monks, bards, ... etc. Which sub-classes should each faction have and what are your ideas for the "flair" of that sub-class? I am currently in a Planescape game and the DM just awarded abilities that made sense based on the faction each person chose and explained that we had to RP that belief in game in order to keep the benefits awarded based on our level. According to Able Ponder-Thought, there were once forty-nine factions in Sigil.At some point, the Lady of Pain declared that only fifteen should remain. Planescape is a campaign setting for the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy role-playing game, originally designed by Zeb Cook. In my experience from both running and playing Planescape, the problem with the factions is that you really need to read the backstory to understand them. I'm returning to converting the Planescape factions using the faction rules, assigning special abilities according to how much renown the character has in that faction. The Factions are fictional philosophically-based power groups in the Planescape campaign setting for the Dungeons & Dragons fantasy role-playing game. The concept in itself is great. Playing against type, and subverting tropes, leads to some of the very best characters out there. The existing sub-class system has some mechanics around failures (fallen paladin). Now you can be join but not really. Plus the faction benefits give the players a reason to lean into the roleplaying. Say for example if you'd join the Fated you'd have access to training as a sub-class of fighter, ranger, rogue, sorcerer and warlock. I'm on my first play through now and I'm running into a few of the first factions of the game. It could be done via a generic 'Faction namer' background or earned in play. Just remember to up the difficulty a little. Ironically it was a post about the mystic (and subclasses in general) that triggered the idea: "Each faction should have it's own subclass(es)". You could still be a vanilla class factol, New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast. The Athar could have any class that doesn't use Divine Magic. I really dig this idea, but I also like that any class can hitch their wagon to these philosophies. Even a life cleric could be a Dustman, if she thinks her purpose is to understand the folly of life or believes that only when one becomes truly dead could one then be reborn into actual life. It can make sense for a specific warrior order like the Purple Dragon Knights to have a subclass to represent their specific methods of combat, but the Factions are all much broader organizations than that - you could, for instance, have Fighter Mercykillers, Paladin Mercykillers, Monk Mercykillers, etc. I think the Factions would be Backgrounds instead, maybe with optional Feats. Well, I say that while acknowledging that a "faction initiate" could be a background in addition to factions having sub-classes. Now that we’ve seen how framing problems -- and factions -- on a belief spectrum adds value to our Planescape games, let’s create moderate and extreme wings of each faction. All would carry the hindrance that you're signing up and may have responsabilities for membership. Also, if you install a few fan patches to repair broken quest options, there's a secret area in the Vault of the Ninth World that you can access. 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